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17 Jul 2018 03:43:16
Update on McGinn. I havn't posted for a few days as nothing new until now. As i reported earlier McGinn only wants to go to celtic. Makes it hard for hibs to negotiate as team McGinn aren't interested in going elsewhere. I am now more confident than ever that a deal will be done, ballpark £2mil and Allan on loan. Loan deal means no extra cash to st mirren. Hibs want celtic to pay st mirrens cut.
1.) 17 Jul 2018 09:46:02
Surely hibs have the say about where he goes if a bid of £3m came in I would take it contrary to what mcginn says after all hibs hold the contract? Just asking if this is the deal on the table I hope they refuse this is not the best deal for hibs imo.
2.) 17 Jul 2018 12:08:16
Loan deal for Allen would mean we can sign a pre-contract with him in January. I’d take that.
3.) 17 Jul 2018 14:56:19
It's the best deal hibs can get under the circumstances. If a player wants to go to specific club, he can. He hasn't handed in a transfer request so that strengthens the case that hibs do not have a say. Scenario is either he goes for £2mil + a loan player/ s now or walks away at the end of the season for nothing. McGinn was always bought by hibs to be developed and sold. Hibs cannot afford to let £2mil walk out the door. It isn't good business sense. Hibs could agree a transfer with another club, but if the player says he doesn't want to go there, he wont. As celtic need players, the deal needs to be done, hence why they are willing to deal now rather than wait until january. That gives a little power to hibs, but not much. Hibs want scott allan but celtic don't want to give him up as they see him as a sellable assett. If the deal was (from hibs view) £2mil + allan and johnston (who is a player hibs have just enquired about) on loan and celtic pay st mirrens cut, it would be done. Personally, with what i know now, i think the deal will be circa £2mil + youth loan player. Hibs will sign Allan in a seperate deal. All undisclosed fee.
4.) 17 Jul 2018 15:18:03
Geko I’m just going to say well said, but I don’t really no what for as I fell 😴 asleep half way through your post! You do go on a bit? 😂# mr obviously.
5.) 17 Jul 2018 17:14:58
No problem, i will end it there. Just being thorough for avoidance of doubt. Its easier for me to post once with all info i know. I shall leave it there.
6.) 17 Jul 2018 21:26:33
Thanks for that geko ye see what your saying and Ye would except that deal tomo you sure your a hibby mate your fast to criticise the family mate.
7.) 17 Jul 2018 21:27:45
Thanks gecko for the info tomo keeps slating the hibs family.
8.) 18 Jul 2018 03:40:04
Although i know many and hibs are a club to be admired for going in the right direction, no i'm not a hibs fan. I just thought i would share what i know. As i said, i'll leave it at that.
03 Jul 2018 09:00:18
McGinn update. There is a will by all 3 sides to get the deal done. The £1.5mil reported is the starting point. weeks ago this was submitted. Hibs need to get a deal done as he isn't going to sign an extension, so can't loose him for nothing next year. The money is too good to turn down and financially they cant. When Hibs signed McGinn it cost almost £500k with agent fees/ sign on etc so can't afford to let him run his contract down.
Celtic want McGinn but don't want to pay what Hibs think he's worth so will offer no more than £2mil. Cash + player is an option but Hibs must pay St Mirren 30% of the deal. So if Hibs get a player valued at £500k they must pay 30% of that too ontop of 30% of any cash. Also issues with sell on clauses.
McGinn isn't going to sign a new deal with Hibs but wants Hibs and St Mirren both to benefit from his sale. There are other higher bids (not official yet) but they go for nothing as the player wants a move to Celtic.
The deal will get done but will require a bit of give from both clubs. Hibs want Allan but that will probably be a seperate deal. don't be surprised to see an undisclosed fee when Mcginn is confirmed. Just like when Cummings signed for Notts Forest for £500k.
1.) 03 Jul 2018 21:44:57
McGinn will got to celtic but I've heard the total fee including paymenot to st midden will be nearer £2m but that's what I've heard who knows.
2.) 04 Jul 2018 07:51:45
McGinn cost hibs 150 k from st Mirren with a 33% sell on clause of any future move and a further 10% of any moves after that, this is causing problems with Celtic and they are wanting contract re -written, meaning they would have to compensate st Mirren now. the biggest winners here are undoubtedly st Mirren.
3.) 04 Jul 2018 10:41:02
Having a player of Johns quality at Hibs for 4 seasons. I’d say we have done well having him. Anything we get for him is a bonus.
4.) 04 Jul 2018 10:43:22
Hibs had to pay nearly £500k to sign McGinn as i said in my earlier post. Transfer fee, agent fees, 'exclusive rights fee', sign on fee, admin fee, legal fee, expense fees etc. Signing a player isn't just the transfer fee. How do you think Hibs signed McGinn? Its because the package for him and his agent was excellent. Trust me i know.
As for the 10% from another sell on, that's not worth the paper its written on if it is even written. Who pays the 10%? The selling or buying club? St Mirren (1) don't know who Hibs (2) are going to sell him to (3) nor do they know the other team (4) who want to buy him. So 1 having a contract between 3 and 4 is very difficult if you don't know who they are and don't own the player. If there was a legally enforcable 10% then this would potentially mean 3rd party ownership which i highly doubt is involved. Perhaps in £multi million deals.
The only thing holding this up is valuation figures. Like in every walk of life, if the money is right you do the deal.
5.) 04 Jul 2018 13:09:53
Tbf. I've never heard of that type of transfer, however, in my mind McGinn's away and it's just a case of who or what we get for him. I would prefer players because they have some quality sitting on the sidelines. Christie and Allan would be my 1st pick. Theirs a rumour they are trying to push Ralston on us bu the lad divides opinion.
6.) 04 Jul 2018 13:35:05
Best case scenario for Hibs is to get £2mil and Scott Allan on loan (sign him on precontract in jan) or Celtic pay up his contract in knowledge he is signing for Hibs. This way Hibs don't have to pay the 30% of his value to St Mirren. It means Celtic writing off a sellable asset but it may be worth it if they want the McGinn deal done asap. What Celtic want is to sign McGinn for as little as possible and no player swap. As i said. its all about the £ numbers and both sides giving a little.
7.) 04 Jul 2018 14:39:40
The on loan deal is the best way to avoid squabbles over how much SA is worth. As you say, McGinn cost almost £500K, is St Mirr''s 30% based on the total transfer fee or is it based on profit of sake after the £500K is deducted?
8.) 04 Jul 2018 16:37:48
30% of the total transfer. For example if Hibs were to swap McGinn for a player/ players (no cash) then St Mirren would be aggrieved and put in a complaint, most likely resulting in a valuation for the transfer. This would then have to be paid to St Mirren. i'm certain that it would be the same with a cash/ player deal. This is just one of the many scenarios, and why deals seem like they take ages! If its £2mil and Allan loan then £600k (approx) to St Mirren. If its £2mil and Allan then £750k (approx) to St Mirren. On flip side it means effectively Hibs sign Allan for £150k. Hibs may decide that's a better option, although they pay out more Allan is a player Hibs want.
9.) 04 Jul 2018 16:41:11
St Mirren get 30% of the transfer when Hibs sell him (no deduction of Hibs previous deal with them), for the avoidance of doubt.
24 Jun 2018 19:24:03
Celtic deal is very far down the line. Plenty of other interested parties
24 Jun 2018 19:20:33
McGinn to celtic is very much looking a done deal now. Various scenarios. the deal i posted earlier with McGinn back on loan or Allan and £2m to Hibs (McGinn permanent to Celtic) or £1.5m Allan and Hayes to Hibs (McGinn permanent to Celtic) . 33% of money goes to St Mirren.
22 Jun 2018 18:15:47
McGinn to Celtic. Allan and (in region of) £1.5m to Hibs. McGinn coming back on loan for next season. This is the deal on the table. As always nothing is a done deal until it is signed.
1.) 22 Jun 2018 20:32:15
Makes sense with Armstrong to Southampton.
2.) 23 Jun 2018 12:59:30
Makes sense? Celtic potentially lose 3 midfielders and gain none for coming season? Absolute nonsense!
3.) 23 Jun 2018 15:13:56
Celtics central midfielders for next season if the above deal goes through - Callum Macgregor, Tom Rogic, Olivier Ntcham, Ryan Christie, Nir Bitton and Scott Brown. Not to mention the plethora of wingers at their disposal. They don’t need McGinn just now, Scott Brown has another season or 2. But getting McGinn is a real coup for Celtics future. A loan back to Hibs continues his progression. Scott Allan, not needed by Celtic.
Yes, the above deal makes sense to all parties involved. I for one would be delighted with it.
4.) 23 Jun 2018 20:19:52
Probably be nonsense. But I’d be happy with that. We’d get McGinn for another year. We’d get Scotty Allan. And £1.5M. Bit of a no brainer. I can imagine all parties would be happy too. Just got to find a fulcrum to replace McGeough. Looks like he’s Sunderland bound. Hopefully Bartley will be staying too. I think he has a couple of more years left on his contract.
5.) 23 Jun 2018 22:02:51
Could take this but I would want at least £2m.
6.) 23 Jun 2018 23:44:51
It might add up to £2Mill, depends what % of McGinns wages we would be paying for the loan. If he's on £10K pw and we are paying £3K theirs another £360K approx. Theirs also the pay off for Scott Allan, he still has a yr on his deal with Celtic and he will want a pay off. I should imagine it will be at least £200K. It all adds up.
7.) 24 Jun 2018 18:54:39
What are you guys drinking? Scott Allan would have to take a massive drop in wages to sign for Hibs. Knowing his past do you all really see that happening? As for Celtic buying John? Why wouldn't they wait till new year and sign him on a pre contract. Wee word in Johns ear to sit tight and they have him with no transfer fee. So we lose him for nothing and no Scott Allan in part exchange. Best hope we have of a good transfer fee is he goes now to an English or foreign club.
18 Jul 2018 03:40:04
Although i know many and hibs are a club to be admired for going in the right direction, no i'm not a hibs fan. I just thought i would share what i know. As i said, i'll leave it at that.
17 Jul 2018 17:14:58
No problem, i will end it there. Just being thorough for avoidance of doubt. Its easier for me to post once with all info i know. I shall leave it there.
17 Jul 2018 14:56:19
It's the best deal hibs can get under the circumstances. If a player wants to go to specific club, he can. He hasn't handed in a transfer request so that strengthens the case that hibs do not have a say. Scenario is either he goes for £2mil + a loan player/ s now or walks away at the end of the season for nothing. McGinn was always bought by hibs to be developed and sold. Hibs cannot afford to let £2mil walk out the door. It isn't good business sense. Hibs could agree a transfer with another club, but if the player says he doesn't want to go there, he wont. As celtic need players, the deal needs to be done, hence why they are willing to deal now rather than wait until january. That gives a little power to hibs, but not much. Hibs want scott allan but celtic don't want to give him up as they see him as a sellable assett. If the deal was (from hibs view) £2mil + allan and johnston (who is a player hibs have just enquired about) on loan and celtic pay st mirrens cut, it would be done. Personally, with what i know now, i think the deal will be circa £2mil + youth loan player. Hibs will sign Allan in a seperate deal. All undisclosed fee.
04 Jul 2018 16:41:11
St Mirren get 30% of the transfer when Hibs sell him (no deduction of Hibs previous deal with them), for the avoidance of doubt.
04 Jul 2018 16:37:48
30% of the total transfer. For example if Hibs were to swap McGinn for a player/ players (no cash) then St Mirren would be aggrieved and put in a complaint, most likely resulting in a valuation for the transfer. This would then have to be paid to St Mirren. i'm certain that it would be the same with a cash/ player deal. This is just one of the many scenarios, and why deals seem like they take ages! If its £2mil and Allan loan then £600k (approx) to St Mirren. If its £2mil and Allan then £750k (approx) to St Mirren. On flip side it means effectively Hibs sign Allan for £150k. Hibs may decide that's a better option, although they pay out more Allan is a player Hibs want.